DRAFT minutes of RAMS meeting of 11 sep 96 (draft of 10/9/96, by Jon Crowcroft) Meeting Held at Texaco, Canary Wharf, London Before the agenda proper, Crowcroft gave a brief overview of the project aims and objectives. Crosher indicated how and where the commercial partners could start to consider exploitation i nthe last quarter of the project. Particulalry: A/ A Case study on the Texaco network Monitoring results for DTI publication (and academic) and dissemination to relevant industry B/ The Prism Products C/ The WDI Service and D/ The Abbotsbury Quality Manual for ISPs Agenda - agreed as follows: Minutes of Previous Meeting (attached) The HPIP workshop for 24/25 October - our contribution Work Progress (especially towards collaborative goals: UCL/Texaco/Tadlon statistics analysis UCL/WDI WWW monitoring work QoS feedback into Prism's system Reporting/Claims Status Project Demo Date Project End Date Feedback from Monitoring Officer and DTI TOD Next Meeting. Followup Project (RAMeseS the II?) AOB 0 Attendees ----------- Mike Falla, mike.falla@bcs.org.uk _ Monitoring Officer Robin Crosher, DTI, robin.crosher@dtied.dti.gov.uk - HPIP Program Manager Steve Osselton, Prism, steve@prismtech.co.uk Tim Snape, Abbotsbury/WDI, tim@wdi.co.uk Jon Crowcroft, UCL, jon@cs.ucl.ac.uk James Cowan, J.Cowan@cs.ucl.ac.uk Apologies from Huon Butterworth, Tadlon David Romano-Critcley, UCL Zheng Wang, UCL, zwang@cs.ucl.ac.uk Deborah Miller, EPSRC 1. Minutes from last Meeting and Actions Arising ----------------------------------------------- Minutes approved. Action: Prism/Abbotsbury/UCL - to ask Peter Burton about location and kit Status: Done - Location, Hilton, Stanstead Kit, Abbotsbury have ordered phone line Action: UCL to chase other HPIP projects to ask which are relevant Status: Done - we wil ltalk to BATMAN, DCAN ReGIS and ARMAN at the HPIP Workshop in October. Action all: plan for dates and ask DTI about possible invitees Status - see below. Action UCL/Tadlon to report bug in LANWatch to FTP software Done Action. UCL/Tadlon to seek way to publish analysis later in year Done - See Below 2. HPIP Workshop for 24/25 October i) Tim Snape and matt from Abbotsbury are going, and will bring a PC for access and have ordered phone access for demonstrating a) their site b) hopefully, the use of the Gensys expert system for fault diagnosis c) Tim has offered to make at least part of the project presentation. ii) Steve Osselton will bring laptops to demonstrate some aspects of the Prism work A second attendee from Prism is likely iii) James Cowan, Jon Crowcroft and Dave Romano-Critchley will attend from UCL. Crowcroft will ask David Hutchison if he can do a 5 minute talk in the 2nd day session on standards, on problems and breakthroughs encountered in the winsock and IETF standards process for the RAMS projects. iv) Texaco and Tadlon may attend depending on time. Action all: Make sure they are booked in for the workshop and have indicated what demos and kit we are brinding and access we need. Action Prism, liase with Jon and Abbotsbury over possible part in main presentation of project. 3. Work Progress and Deliverable Status I/ UCL UCL work had had a hold up with the winsock stack, but there was now a workaround. This may or may not work with SAP - UCL are keen to use NT4, where we can do this more cleanly, but the timescales for NT4 in the Texaco work are too long, so we need to test the workaround soon (end of september at latest). Fallback position is a) to arrange for a special day where we run an unstable SAP/NT4 installation at Texaco failing this b) arrange for a work extension for the UCL/Texaco (UCL with EPSRC) effort, to see if the results can be made to work that way. For work with Prism, we need to see (mid october latest) whether they are going ahead with NT 4 or we need to rework our MIB and interface via a PD s/w API such as CMU's SNMP package for Solaris inst4ead of a microsoft platform. A fall backl position for this is hard: if we cannot make either the NT4 platform work with Prism providing their ORB on NT4, or port the work to solaris, then it is hard to see how this line of work can be completed. However, we are confident that UCL have expertise to tackle the Solaris approach. A parallel effort on a linux port of the managed stack is held up on a Deliverable Status: U7 now ok U5 - Network Performance Analysis - Zheng Wang had provided a draft in presentation at the previous meeting. This needs formally delivering to the Monitoring officer now, as it is 2 months late. Action UCL: deliver U5 to MO asap. kernel socket() access problem - Prism may be able to help on this. Other UCL deliverables on track now. II/ Abbotsbury Tim Snape reported Abbotsbury had not got one of the rural challenge projects, but had got past stage 1 on another (a control system for a railway) - they had proposed reusing their expertise gained on using the Gensysm Expert System Had been on G2 raiing, and is putting report togerther on this Had meeting with UCL and Tadlon folks - useful - had deployed Lanwatch, but not managed to integrate with overall system at WDI. Had reverted to multidrop Ether instead of switch to make this useful Is using NT3.51, can move to NT4, and offered to help with UCL winsock testing Working in ISPA on deploying webping - so far, only Xara had; UCL will. Others may follow. A2 - Action Tim: - send 2 copies to M.O. of this (initial QM) A3 - retargetted for 25/10/96 - to demo at HPIP workshop. A4 - on track. Tim also mentioned that he had spoken to the M.D. of Tcan about them being a reference/Case Study site for a DTI report on the use for buisiness of email/Internet Provision, and had got positive response. The ISPA and other work on problems for publishign dubious information online was discussed. On the QM (A4) deliverabler, Crosher offered a name at the DTI who could provide wider publication (david Willson, of Conference Communcations). III/ Steve reorted pmn {rism progrsds - all their software delvierables are nearly all done - await resource monitoring output from UCL - main sticky point is NT4 - whether/when they port the Prism platform to NT. P10 - done - will demonstrate (new engineer carried out work) P7 and P5, both 80% done, will be done mid 10/96. Action UCL/Prism. Plan possible alternative to winsock management, via CMU SNMP and MIB for solaris, must check by end week 1 October if this is needed. IV/ Texaco Kieran reported that Texaco are happy for us to publish the case studdy of their net stats (but run anyu draft byu them first) Also reported on NT 4 deployment (WDI mentioned possible OS/" use for IBM net based work). 4. Reporting/Claims Status 5 Project Demo Date This will be at UCL - the date of 16/1/97 is proposed. Action all: check this is ok, and: Action all: draw up draft contents for flyer to get people to project open day Goal is at least: Prism: "Go Faster Stripes for your distributed system " for shell et al prioritise your telemmetry over your payroll computing:-) actually, their demonstrator (last main deliverable) is of a phone exchange control system! WDI: "Quality Assured Internet Provision" - never again here the random excuse for your web pages being slow, or your email not getting through..... Action All/UCL: We must advertise this at the HPIP workshop day too. 6 Project End Date stet - but we will meet at the HIPI workshop briefly to check this in the light of any actions on the UCL interactions with Texaco/SAP work, and Prism/Resource Manager work It is end of calendar year (but 11th of december, preceisely) 7. Feedback from Monitoring Officer and DTI Already factored into the agenda. Crosher noted that the Project Manager (Crowcroft/UCL) must produce a final report (as well as UCL's EPSRC report) which is best done 2 weeks before end of project so that M.O. and Program officer can read draft and give feedback. This must predate the claim being settled, and canm also be used as a "glossy" by companies in project to promote the results/exploitation. Also, the DTI is putting up web pages for the HPIP and ISI overal program; we can contribute (relevant) project links - esp. from the commercial partners. Mail Crosher, Peter Burton et al. Also, the Regis project has "user group meetings" (regional internet service over cable) on oct 4 (sheffield) and oct 16 (notts) if we are interested. 8. TOD Next Meeting. Those going to HPIP Workshop Oct 24/25 will meet briefly. Then there will be a final project meeting to wrap up final report, and organise details of Open Project Day, proposed for 11/12/96. 9. AOB Tim Snape asked about a possible Followup Project (RAMeseS the II?) We will discuss this offline.